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#1 Posted : Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:41:15 PM(UTC)
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I named her Cortana. Now to learn how to shoot her. BigGrin

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#2 Posted : Monday, May 03, 2010 1:02:56 AM(UTC)
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#3 Posted : Monday, May 03, 2010 7:52:04 AM(UTC)
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Sweet!

What exactly do you have there? Action looks Garandish....

308?
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, May 05, 2010 4:40:02 AM(UTC)
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dosborn81 wrote:
Sweet!

What exactly do you have there? Action looks Garandish....

308?


Yes sir! The awesome accurate action of the M1A battle rifle is far superior to the blundering busted behavior common to other upstart rifle offerings.

That was what I was instructed to say by experienced M1A owners when asked about my rifle.

BigGrin

Here's my take on it:

The M1A battle rifle, chambered in the 7.62x51 rifle caliber, also capable of firing certain .308 Winchester rounds, is a rifle based on the Garand design. Development began near the end of WWII as a replacement for the Garand. The military decided that a rifle in a similar caliber and reliability, but with fully automatic capability and a larger ammo capacity, was needed. The M14 battle rifle, the military version of the civilian M1A manufactured originally by Springfield Armory, was adopted by the military after the Korean War and served briefly in Vietnam. Ironically, the first war it served in was also its last, as the functions that make the M14 an elite battle rifle were not needed in the jungles of Vietnam. The power and recoil of the .308 was not needed in close jungle warfare, and 20-round magazines did not provide the soldier with enough firepower. The M16, more controllable in automatic fire, lighter, and with 30-round magazines, was chosen by the military for the environment of Vietnam.

Stupidly, the military destroyed about (I think) 90% of its M14 supply instead of converting them to single action only rifles and making them available to the public. Seeing the potential benefit of the M14 in a civilian market, Springfield Armory made the M1A, its civilian cousin, which it has manufactured ever since. The military has maintained its small store of M14 rifles and have a limited number split among all the different services. They are primarily used in a designated marksman role, and are seeing increased, and highly effective, use in the open, mountainous environments of Afghanistan and Iraq.

It is my hope that our guys will wise up and go back to the M14 as our main battle rifle. One shot of .308 center mass is an almost guaranteed out-of-the-fight enemy casualty, and two shots are a definite kill. There are reports of the .223 round being ineffective, and I have actually read multiple reports of enemy combatants in the current Mid-East conflicts surviving more than a dozen decently-placed shots by Marines and soldiers. One combatant was shot, according to one soldier, over 20 times and was still crawling over to an RPG to shoot at the vehicles.

M14 battle rifles are just that, battle rifles, capable of hitting targets effectively and reliably at 500 yards or more (with an expert marksman, a standard M1A can hit targets out to 700-800 yards). The .308 round is capable of great destruction with only one shot and is far preferable to the 5.56 or the 7.62x39 rounds for both accuracy and velocity at any distance. In my opinion, military commanders who believe that the M16/M4 platforms are adequate for our troops' needs have forgotten the great potential of the M14 and its .308 round. Our troops are being given inferior weapons and are put in danger because of it.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, May 05, 2010 6:01:26 AM(UTC)
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Here are a couple of links on Youtube for anyone who is interested in the differences among 5.56, 7.62x39 and 762.51/.308.

http://www.youtube.com/c...ments&v=XEQAl12oQ4I

http://www.youtube.com/w...cYVw&feature=related
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, May 05, 2010 9:14:26 AM(UTC)
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I agree that the 308 is a killer round. However, in the field, think about this..... If your enemy has a fellow soldier that is injured from a .223 it takes a couple of others to care for him and help. If you are struck with a .308 and killed, there will be no need for immediate attention. So in a nutshell, the .223 will keep more of the enemy occupied so to speak (takes two in most cases to evacuate an injured soldier). That is the way I see it anyway.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, May 05, 2010 9:31:54 AM(UTC)
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dosborn81 wrote:
I agree that the 308 is a killer round. However, in the field, think about this..... If your enemy has a fellow soldier that is injured from a .223 it takes a couple of others to care for him and help. If you are struck with a .308 and killed, there will be no need for immediate attention. So in a nutshell, the .223 will keep more of the enemy occupied so to speak (takes two in most cases to evacuate an injured soldier). That is the way I see it anyway.


True. I can see it that way, but I also think about the kind of men that they are facing over there. They're not fighting against an organized force that "takes care of their own", necessarily. Those enemies can ignore their wounded comrades or even abandon them. Worse, a very determined wounded man can even fight back. So, you shoot him, think he's down and out because for 10 minutes no one goes to help him, you round a corner to engage his comrades and you get shot from behind.

I'm not saying it's going to happen all the time. I just think that it's better to know that someone is definitely DEAD than to be guessing if he's down for the count or not. I'd just rather have the piece of mind. In my mind, if you and I were in a foxhole and you were wounded, I wouldn't tend to you anyway until after we were out of direct combat. I would consider it stupid to attend to your wounds while we were being shot at. I know that if I was shooting at two people, wounded one, and the other obviously ducks down to help them, I might use that opportunity to move to a better position and set up for a kill shot on both of them.
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#9 Posted : Sunday, May 30, 2010 4:41:53 AM(UTC)
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