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#1 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 8:40:42 AM(UTC)
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#2 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 10:11:15 AM(UTC)
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Thanks! People need reminding of our founding fathers positions, Thomas Jefferson said something akin to what GW said.
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#3 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 10:59:33 AM(UTC)
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Yes sir, If this is the one you're thinking of.


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#4 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 12:48:35 PM(UTC)
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That's it, printing them out now!
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#5 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 8:09:48 PM(UTC)
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too bad if anyone(s) had the balls to stand up for their rights or against the government they either get thrown in jail or get called a terrorist. I sometimes wish that there would be a movement so big and so radical that it would scare the S**t our of these people in our govenment. We have no controll over the government anymore and it scares me alot. The only power we have is the right to protest and vote these people out. Wish there was more that we could do to show the government that we mean business.
Anybody got some advise?
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, March 23, 2010 3:48:49 AM(UTC)
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We have a representative style of government; elect people to represent you. The Swiss on the other hand have a true democracy; their citizens vote on all laws. Their reps only rubber stamp what the citizens vote for. Our politicians would never allow this.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, March 23, 2010 7:35:46 AM(UTC)
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pretty frustrating. just sit back and watch what happens next.
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#8 Posted : Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:21:06 PM(UTC)
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JerBla wrote:
too bad if anyone(s) had the balls to stand up for their rights or against the government they either get thrown in jail or get called a terrorist. I sometimes wish that there would be a movement so big and so radical that it would scare the S**t our of these people in our govenment. We have no controll over the government anymore and it scares me alot. The only power we have is the right to protest and vote these people out. Wish there was more that we could do to show the government that we mean business.
Anybody got some advise?


If you want to see a movement that is not a terrorist organization but patriots who are done backing up from aggressive, unconstitutional advances by the Federal government, then you can go here.

Read and ask questions.
Those who sacrifice a little freedom for a little security, deserve neither.

- A rough quote from Ben Franklin.
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#9 Posted : Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:26:06 PM(UTC)
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gumby wrote:
We have a representative style of government; elect people to represent you. The Swiss on the other hand have a true democracy; their citizens vote on all laws. Their reps only rubber stamp what the citizens vote for. Our politicians would never allow this.


Our republic would work that way, too, if people 1) actually got involved in the political process and 2) held their politicians COMPLETELY accountable, by force if necessary as provided for in the 2nd Amendment. The difference between a democracy and our republic is that a true democracy is basically mob rule where the majority decides everything. A republic is run by a majority too, but with the exception that there is a constitution in place to protect the rights of all the people no matter which side currently enjoys the majority vote. So, you can't just start committing genocide or installing state religions or imprisoning people for speaking their minds, etc. At least, theoretically, as long as the government is kept under control by the people. That is the duty of all Americans, to hold the government accountable. By the ballot box and soap box preferably, but if those fail then the cartridge box will have to do. Our children and future generations are worth it.
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