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#1 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2008 1:12:41 PM(UTC)
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Paraphased from Sigforum info:
The P250 9mm compact comes with a 16 round magazine. There have been two distinct issues with this magazine:
1.) The first 100 or so shipped with the incorrect spring and follower, effectively reducing the magazine to 15 rounds capacity.
2.) Even with the correct spring and follower, people are still having an difficult time getting the 16th round into the magazine.

Sig claims that all of the bad springs and followers shipped have been accounted for, but some people still don't believe it.
To be sure you have the correct spring and follower:
- Lay your magazine down with the front facing the right - remember this orientation (note it in the picture below) as you disassemble the magazine next.
- Dissassemble your magazine per the owner's manual by pushing up on the Magazine insert pin at the bottom of the floorplate.
- Slide the floorplate to the right (forward) on the magazine to remove it, keeping tension on the insert with your thumb. (Have you accidentally slipped the floorplate off letting the spring fly out of the mag and launch your floorplate and follower across the room? I did. Once. Once...)
- With the magazine floorplate removed, and the magazine laying down facing right, slide out the spring.
- The bottom metal insert attaches to the spring with a little eyelet, and should be on *left* side of the spring if you have the mag oriented correctly.
- Counting the coil that the insert is attached to, count all the coils on the left-hand side.
- You should have exactly 10 coils for a 16-round magazine.
- If you have 12 coils, you have a 15-round magazine.

NO, you cannot simply snip off a coil to make the spring shorter. Someone tried it and I guess the springs have different tensions/profiles which make this fruitless.

Also, look at the follower. A 16 round follower has a small plastic rectangle sticking out of the bottom that the top of the spring wraps around. I guess the 15 round follower does not have this.
The Magazine tube and floorplates are evidently the same. Just some were loaded with a 15 round spring and follower.
Just because you're having a hard time loading the 16th round in your magazine does not neccessarily mean you have one of the 15 round magazines. Check your spring and follower before calling Sig for replacement. If you are one of the lucky ones to get a 15 round spring and follower, you can call Sig and complain. Per the Parts list on the owner's manual you need a #37 Follower and a #38 Spring. Everything else should be the same.

I have shamelessly lifted these two pics from SigForum as they are worth a thousand words:

Courtesy of Thrak


Courtesy of motor



Now, you know you've got the correct 16 round spring and follower, but you still can't get the 16 round into the magazine? Try using a sissy loader. Someone mentioned that using an UpLula allowed them to easily get the 16th round into the magazine. Using this might start to loosen up the tension of the spring allowing you to eventually get the 16th round in by hand.
http://www.topgunsupply.com/uplula-magazine-speedloader-universal_pistol.html
I still have not been able to get the 16th round in by hand, but I may pick up an UpLula to see if that helps. I will keep everyone posted.

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#2 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2008 4:18:07 PM(UTC)
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Great post. I am going to be investigating this issue myself as i believe all 3 magazines of mine are 15 rounders. I cannot for the life of me put 16 in there.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:19:23 AM(UTC)
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Update:
I knew I had a 16 round magazine, and convinced myself psychologically that no matter how uncomfortable it made me: I was gonna jam that 16th round in there. I'm happy to say I finally did it and so can you. If you've determined that you do indeed have a 16 round magazine (10 coils! not 12!), then push REALLY hard! I stood my mag on the table, and pushed down with the 16th round REALLY hard until the casing was JUST under the mag lips. I could not push the round down any more, I just pushed it straight back until it was seated. With the 16th round in the magazine there is absolutely NO give in the spring. The last round literally needs to be slid in just under the mag lips to fit. It feels really uncomfortable doing it the first time, but once you do it seems to get easier. I don't think the spring loosening up over time will help either. That last round puts it at rock bottom.
So it is possible without a sissy loader. But I don't think I would do it all the time. It just feels like it's stressing the mag to the breaking point. I feel like the floorplate is going to snap off or the lips will bend out of place...

Anyway, Good luck!!
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#4 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 12:55:03 PM(UTC)
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I'm pretty sure all 5 of the mags I have are 15 rounders. I got 'em early on. I can squeeze the last in, but it almost scratches the casings . I can't see doing that or distorting the mag lips. 15 rounds x 5 in a social encounter had better be enough. After 15 I'm out of there.
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#5 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 11:24:09 PM(UTC)
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That 16th round could be the difference between "ending the discussion" or having to pull a "Travis Tomasie"... Laugh
I agree though. I have 16 rounders and it feels like I'm going to damage the casing getting the last round in. In practice I never really put the 16th round in. 15 is a nice even number at the range.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:31:30 PM(UTC)
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I just received 4 new magazines from TGS. I was suprised to find a "16" round witness hole. I guess these are new magazines. However, they are still marked P250 on the reverse side and the follower and spring are the same. 10 coils!
Here's a picture of an original "15" marked mag on the left (that is indeed a 16-rounder) and one of the new "16" marked on the right. Notice the springs are the same, but the one on the left has about 500 rounds on it. Notice the difference in tension. The new magazine is essentially identical and is still difficult to get the 16th round in.

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#7 Posted : Saturday, September 27, 2008 4:57:28 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for posting this equality. I had read it before on the sig forum but forgot about it. I've always been able to only get 15 rounds in the mag but after reading this tonight I took my mags apart and they all have the correct spring for 16 rounds. So this time I just pushed a little harder, I was always afraid I was going to damage something before, and the 16th slid right in. BigGrin
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#8 Posted : Monday, December 01, 2008 3:52:57 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for posting all of this. I too had problems with a 16 round mag but it did loosen up okay.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:58:59 AM(UTC)
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What a crock of crap . . . the mag that came with the pistol would only load 15 rounds, while the two extra mags I bought would hold 16 - HOWEVER, these two mags wouldn't lock the slide open. So, after calling Sig, I was told to send all the mags back and they would replace them. Well, all the new mags will now lock the slide open, but the number 16 has been "stamped" out, replaced with just a dimple in the metal. Oh, and they only hold 15 rounds.

I've been an avid fan of Sig for years, but now they've just pissed me off. Even my latest purchase, a P220 SAO, doesn't feed reliably (and no, it's not a mag issue because the same mags work flawlessly in another P220). Hey Sig: when you get your head back on straight, let me know and I might consider purchasing something from you again.
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#10 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2009 3:24:25 AM(UTC)
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I have trouble getting the 16th round in most of my mags and I have about 6 of them. I rotate them and load up 16 rounds to compress the spring and see if that does the job. surprisingly the .40 13 round mags are super easy to load up, I haven't had a problem yet.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:39:10 PM(UTC)
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ok - this is interesting:

the magazine that my gun came with was the 16 round with the 12 coil spring. as a result, I have trouble loading the 16th round.

I purchased a magazine from my local dealer which had the window for the 16th round. after purchasing, the 16th round was noticeably easier to install then the mag that came with my gun. I opened the magazine to reveal the 10 coil spring. when using this magazine at the range however - the magazine fails to hold the slide open when its empty. the only way i can get the magazine to hold the slide open is if i push the bottom of the mag up into the gun and hold it in place - effectively taking up the SMALL amount of play thet there is between the frame and the magazine after the mag snaps into place.
so the magazine that came with my gun has the wrong spring, and is hard to load the 16th round

and the new magazine i bought has the correct spring - but wont hold the slide open.


does all of this sound right or am i getting confused as to what is the "good" spring, and which is the one that has been recalled?
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#12 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2009 1:19:48 AM(UTC)
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Well, after reading all of this I think I'm going to have to dig out my mags (3 16rounders) and start loading them up to the 16 to see if I have any problems. It's a bummer to think that if i have to send them in for work that SIG is just going to turn them into 15 rounders. After reading all this i can see why they backed out of the 20 rounders for the full sized 9...
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#13 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2009 1:36:00 PM(UTC)
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Michaelrm wrote:
Well, after reading all of this I think I'm going to have to dig out my mags (3 16rounders) and start loading them up to the 16 to see if I have any problems. It's a bummer to think that if i have to send them in for work that SIG is just going to turn them into 15 rounders. After reading all this i can see why they backed out of the 20 rounders for the full sized 9...

I've found I just need to put a load on the springs and they'll be fine after time. I don't need the strength of zeus to get that last round in anymore.
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:11:00 AM(UTC)
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Michaelrm wrote:
Well, after reading all of this I think I'm going to have to dig out my mags (3 16rounders) and start loading them up to the 16 to see if I have any problems. It's a bummer to think that if i have to send them in for work that SIG is just going to turn them into 15 rounders. After reading all this i can see why they backed out of the 20 rounders for the full sized 9...


Well, I finally got around to getting my three 16 round mags out, loading them only to realize that 15 rounds is the max for these bad boys. I didn't have the comp around when I did it, so i didn't bother pulling the mags apart. I left them fully, well almost, loaded with the 15 rounds each and will go back to them in a few days. Disappointing to find such a simple oversight in Sig's quality control process. If they were 15's all along I don't think anyone would have cared a bit; Sig should have tried a little harder to get it right before shipping them out.ThumbDown
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#15 Posted : Friday, June 12, 2009 1:57:57 PM(UTC)
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Well, pulled the mags apart and I have all the right parts for a 16 rounder in all 3. I guess i will just have to work them a llittle more and stop being such a girl about getting that last round in LOL They may be 16'ers someday, but for now they will just be 15's.
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#16 Posted : Friday, June 12, 2009 3:48:54 PM(UTC)
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Michaelrm wrote:
Well, pulled the mags apart and I have all the right parts for a 16 rounder in all 3. I guess i will just have to work them a llittle more and stop being such a girl about getting that last round in LOL They may be 16'ers someday, but for now they will just be 15's.

seriously in time it will hold 16 rounds no problem, you just need to wear in the springs on your 16 round mags. my main mag that I use as the mag that holds my hollow points holds 16 rounds no problem now. So I've got 16+1 in the chamber and its very easy to load up now. thats more than enough for me when you consider I've got Mr. Mossberg under my bed as backup.ThumpUp
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#17 Posted : Sunday, September 20, 2009 2:17:36 PM(UTC)
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I have a P250 with manufacture date of July 09'.
It came with one mag and I purchased another from the same dealer when I got the gun.
I don't know which came with the gun and which didn't, but one is has the 16rd witness hole and one has the 15rd hole and each has the appropriate markings.

The 15 rounder works great all the way around.
The 16 has a very weak spring and metal spring-base plate(still a plastic floor-plate).
The follower on the 16 does not come up as far as it should in the mag body and does not have enough pressure to lock the slide back.

I stopped by the dealer and he pulled a mag from another P250 9mm and it had the 16rd witness hole but just a little dot instead of the "16" marking.
The spring was weak and the follower fit poorly just like my 16 rounder.

I will take the 15's design over the 16's any day: Proper follower fit and good spring pressure are way more important to me than one more round.
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#18 Posted : Monday, January 04, 2010 7:26:53 AM(UTC)
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I just called Sig (loooongg wait) and inquired about the 16 round springs and follower needed for the mags of my new P250 compact. I was informed that Sig no longer uses the 16 round mags, only 15 and the requisite parts are no longer available.(!) Oh well.

I agree that the UpLula is the greatest thing since sliced bread, even though it cost me $36.99 here during the Christmas break.

He also said no SA trigger mods were in the works because of the extra decocker/safety bits that would be required...

Bill Beamon 01/04/10
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#19 Posted : Monday, January 04, 2010 7:59:27 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the update Bill! Looking forward to seeing the P250 SA/DA setup!
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:31:04 PM(UTC)
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I just purchased a new P250c a few weeks back so it has no issues with the 15/16 thing, but I have shot close to 500 rounds through it now and the Slide has only locked back a couple of times when the magazine was empty. From reading above posts, it resembles and issue with the spring on the magazine. Is there an adjustment I can make or do I need to send it to Sig?

Thanks,
Daryl
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