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rifmon Offline
#1 Posted : Wednesday, May 06, 2009 11:44:55 PM(UTC)
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I like the Sig Forum but started googling the SIG P250 and found this site. I love the 250 with it's unique design but as a 250 owner, I get discouraged reading mostly bad stuff about it.

I am curious about the reasons that people purchased the 250. Did you buy it because of all the interchangeable parts and different calibers or did you buy it for the gun itself (size, capacity, trigger pull, etc..) or for both reasons? I do not mean to say that one reason is better than the other. I am just curious about it because I think that people like the 250 for different reasons and I also think that people dislike it for different reasons and I'm just trying to sort it all out.

I bought the 9mm because of the gun itself ie; DA smooth revolver like trigger pull. The same pull for every shot including the first. The size/weight ratio to high rnd count and last, the easy disassembly for cleaning. I did not buy it for caliber interchanges. That really does not interest me although I know it is one of the gun's major appeals to law enforcement.

There seems to be three reasons for people to not like the 250;
1. Frustrations of those who bought the gun because of all the interchangeable parts for different calibers and the delays for these parts.
2. Long trigger pull and lack of short re-set.
3. Problems with either FTE or light primer strikes.

What do you think? Will the 250 last and will it finally get the respect it deserves or is it just too much of a departure from the classic SIGS?

Sometimes I think people just don't like "new". "the old is better".
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#2 Posted : Thursday, May 07, 2009 12:39:50 AM(UTC)
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I just bought my p250 (.45) last weekend and I'm questioning my purchase. I've been a long time XD fan, but decided to give Sig a try since I've heard so many good things about them.

Pro: The p250 feels great in my hand and I like the fact that you can interchange the calibers.

Con: On my first attempt to load and fire the gun, I have run into the problem that seems to be happening to a lot of people. The first round of the magazine repeatedly jammed when I racked the slide to chamber the round. For whatever reason, it looks like the round gets stuck on the feed ramp. Experienced a primer failure that caused the seal to break and vent the explosion through the breach (I now understand the need for safety glasses).

Anyhow, I'm trying to give this gun a "fair shake" and see if I can resolve the issue. I think that this gun has a great future, but there appear to be a lot of kinks that need to be worked out.
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rifmon Offline
#3 Posted : Thursday, May 07, 2009 1:21:35 AM(UTC)
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Is that a problem unique to the 45 caliber? The closest thing I have experienced is if I load 16 rns into the mag and the 17th in the chamber and the rnd is a little under powered, it will not fully cycle enough to rip out the spent casing and load the next rnd. I called SIG and I was told to only load 15 rnds. In other words, the SIG 9mm mags should be loaded up to 15 rnds not 16 even though they were advertised originally as 16 rnders. ...another early developement/problem/change, etc..

I know it's off track from the problem you are having, but my experience is that SIG will fix it as they did with my FTE problem. Give the a call and let us know what they say.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, May 07, 2009 1:59:22 AM(UTC)
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I bought the P250 for a number reasons.

1. I did not have a .45.
2. Sig's reputation.
3. Easy disassembly for cleaning.
4. Great price, especially for a Sig.

I was on the hunt for a .45, either a 1911 or P220. I could not justify the cost of the 1911 that I wanted (Kimber) so I handled a the P220. I liked it. Then my seller said, "I just got two of these new .45's from Sig". First he took it apart and showed me how it worked. When he put it in my hands I was sold.

I literally flew to the range. No FTE, no FTF, nothing. Worked like mule. Then about 100-200 rounds and 2 good cleanings later, it started closing the slide when I slapped in a full mag. It's not the end of the world but it caused concern. I should have it back from Sig in about a week.

On the trigger. I also like the smoothness of the 250 but I also like a short reset. While it is at Sig, I am having them put in the short trigger. This should help make up for the lack of a reset. I will post a new thread on that topic when I have tested it.

So far I really like the gun overall. Nitesights, medium frame (and can go small or large), compact (good for carry), very accurate, and a joy to clean. And who knows, I may get the 357 Sig conversion kit if the ammo shortage continues. The only down fall with the .45 is to change calibers you have to buy a frame along with the slide/barrel/mag kit. If you have the 9,.40 or 357 they all use the same frame. But, what is great, if you break or crack the frame you can replace it very easy.

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jab1 Offline
#5 Posted : Thursday, May 07, 2009 2:26:07 AM(UTC)
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I'm not sure if the problem that I experienced is limited to the .45 or not. It may have been a bit of user error or a problem with the ammo since I could not reproduce the problem this weekend at the range. I used Remington UMC and had no problems (no jams, no primer problems). The only thing that I am noticing is that the gun seems to be shooting a little low. I'm new to the .45, so I might be overcompensating for the recoil and pushing the nose down before firing. Here's another newbie question. I'm a lefty and was trying to reverse the magazine catch release button. I was following the instructions in the manual (using the paper clip) but couldn't seem to pull the two pieces of the release apart. Is there a trick to doing this?
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rifmon Offline
#6 Posted : Thursday, May 07, 2009 2:28:56 AM(UTC)
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What does a short trigger do for the gun? I always thought a short trigger was just to increase the reach of your finger to have the needed leverage on the DA trigger but does it do more than that? How does it shorten the re-set?

Also, I have heard of the slide going into battery when inserting a loaded mag with a certain amount of force. Doesn't happen on mine unless I violently slam the mag. Now normally, I would see a concern if the gun (classis sig or sig pro) were DA/SA because now you have a loaded chamber in single action before you're ready. But with DA only and no de cocker to activate, it is not as much as a safety concern but it can be annoying.
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rifmon Offline
#7 Posted : Thursday, May 07, 2009 2:37:56 AM(UTC)
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jab1 wrote:
I'm not sure if the problem that I experienced is limited to the .45 or not. It may have been a bit of user error or a problem with the ammo since I could not reproduce the problem this weekend at the range. I used Remington UMC and had no problems (no jams, no primer problems). The only thing that I am noticing is that the gun seems to be shooting a little low. I'm new to the .45, so I might be overcompensating for the recoil and pushing the nose down before firing. Here's another newbie question. I'm a lefty and was trying to reverse the magazine catch release button. I was following the instructions in the manual (using the paper clip) but couldn't seem to pull the two pieces of the release apart. Is there a trick to doing this?


Not sure how it could be user error but I can see ammo issue. Glad it didn't happen again though...
The DA trigger of the 250 does take time to get used to. Even though it is smooth, you really can't stage the trigger like a S&W revolver. If shooting low is recoil anticipation, dry firing can help but make sure you use snap-caps because I broke a firing pin in both the 229r 9mm and my 250. I practice dry firing now with Zoom snap caps. I place a penny on the front site and pull the trigger as many times as I can till it falls off. Then, at the range I put myself in that same mind set. I had bad accuracy at first but now I find an improvement.


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#8 Posted : Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:04:51 AM(UTC)
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I've read on some other forums that resting your pinkie finger on the magazine while holding the pistol may torque the magazine a bit and cause a jam when loading. I can somewhat see this happening since I've got the compact model and pretty big hands. However, the part that doesn't make sense to me is that it only seemed to happen when loading a fresh magazine into the pistol. To be honest, I'm more concerned about the primer failure that I experienced with the Speer Lawman ammo. I'd like to say that I am going to stay away from that brand going forward, but with the scarcity of ammo these days, I don't think I can be so selective. I went to three stores in Jersey last week and no one had any .45 or .40 ammo, except for personal defense rounds (I can't justify shooting those rounds at a paper target). Living in Jersey, I don't think that I can do the mail order route for pistol ammo.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, May 07, 2009 5:51:28 AM(UTC)
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rifmon wrote:
What does a short trigger do for the gun? I always thought a short trigger was just to increase the reach of your finger to have the needed leverage on the DA trigger but does it do more than that? How does it shorten the re-set?

Also, I have heard of the slide going into battery when inserting a loaded mag with a certain amount of force. Doesn't happen on mine unless I violently slam the mag. Now normally, I would see a concern if the gun (classis sig or sig pro) were DA/SA because now you have a loaded chamber in single action before you're ready. But with DA only and no de cocker to activate, it is not as much as a safety concern but it can be annoying.


The short trigger should give a shorter travel. I don't have any reset with the 250 so the less travel the better.

Also, if I slowly and genlty insert the mag I don't have the problem but if I casually pop it in (like I do with my other pistols) the slide will close. I don't think overdoing it.
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Michaelrm Offline
#10 Posted : Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:19:29 AM(UTC)
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I had never owned a Sig, but was familiar with all the standard models and thought they were high quality guns. I was offered the P250 in trade (Digi camo/9mm/compact) for a rifle that I never used. I hadn't heard of the 250, but after seeing some pics and reading the professional reviews I thought that I would give it a try. I was concerned about the long DAO trigger, but was amazed when I first tried it. Doesn't seem long to me and it is so smooth. I was pretty excited about the trade and then began to notice the bad publicity from other shooters. It reminded me of the early dislike for Glocks. Remember all those articles about flexing plastic frame and how metal was the only way to go.

Anyways, I still need to shoot the damn thing (I have way too many hobbies) and I optimistic of the performance. If it is still suffering some growing pains I'll send it to sig to be fixed and go from there. Not planning on replacing my G19 yet, but i might if this thing proves to be as good as other sigs!BigGrin
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#11 Posted : Thursday, May 07, 2009 2:00:25 PM(UTC)
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the p250 was my first hand gun, I went to the local range with a friend that knew a lot about guns. he recommended that I start with a S&W M&P and to see how it felt. I was not really much of a fan, we moved onto the Glock which I was not a fan of either for the feel in my hands. I shot his XD and loved it but he pushed me to try out some other guns and to see what I might like. I tried out the H&K and p250 and the p250 just felt better in my hands like it was supposed to fit right in there. I loved the trigger pull and read about the modularity and fell in love with the gun. I was a little frustrated by some FTE but gave the gun a chance, loved the way it shot and how accurate it was. I ended up getting a 2nd p250 and found it was a newer model and no FTE issues. I just got my first p250 from sig and I'm ready to enjoy both of them and the new .40 kit that came in this week.Cool So the only issue I had with the gun was solved with the Sig warranty, and now I'm a happy camper.ThumbsUp
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