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#1 Posted : Monday, June 28, 2010 2:24:08 AM(UTC)
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[QUOTE=cmshoot;5064632]SIG in general has an outstanding reputation...........but that rep has not carried over to the P250.

I'll admit, it has one of the nicest DAO triggers, but that's about all I'll recommend on it.

During serious shooting, the frame will become so hot that it is impossible to hold, especially the take-down lever (which is where your thumb rests when using a thumbs forward grip). You have to sit it down until it cools down.

I work for a Fed agency who is looking into purchasing the P250. We've had nothing but problems out of them. SIG my office 9 of them for testing; 8 are having repeated malfunctions of various types, mostly failures to extract causing what some folks call a "double feed", but we've also had problems with failures to feed and failures to fire. Oh yeah, and magazines that bind up and won't feed rounds. One of the pistols is averaging a stoppage or malfunction every 83 rounds fired.

If that doesn't make up your mind, SIG has stopped production of the P250, although they have not announced it. They are working on a replacement pistol, which will be striker-fired. If the pistol is as great as SIG claims, why did they cease production?[/

I told this guy I never had an issuse with mine. That is true. I never had any of the problems that he has stated. But the one the that got me the most is when he said that Sig is stopping the production of the 250. Is this true? does anyone have insider info? Any info would be great.
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#2 Posted : Monday, June 28, 2010 3:20:08 AM(UTC)
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I've had issue's with mine right from the start. Trigger issue's which it went back for and it is now having extraction issue's depending on ammo used. I really like it but its a love hate thing, I have other firearms that run flawless and have since I've gotten them.


I've seen nothing opf them being discontinued but they changed the design once already IIRC.
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#3 Posted : Monday, June 28, 2010 4:11:46 AM(UTC)
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Im not saying that noones had an issue, I know some have had issues and some still have issues. Changes of the grip frame Im not sure what Sig was getting at with that, but not awhole lot has really changed.

Dont get me wrong Ive had guns that worked perfectly out of the box and then Ive had a few that I had to fix to get them right. Your always goning to have problems from mass production. Just like cars that are mass produced, some get away fine and then there are some that have a recall on them. Its the same with my job, building tractors for Kubota. We'll start building a new model and have to work out the kinks till we get it right. Sometimes the kinks will always stay. So then we have to work on them to get everything just right. Im not saing that we ship loaders and tactors out with problems, we fix everyone that we get with an issue.

As far as Sig stopping the production of the 250, I never heard that. Sig has a reputation to uphold just like everyother manufacturer. Im sure they will make things right with there customers if there is an issue with any of their firearms. I never had to call Sig for an issue with any of my Sig guns, and Ive read some posts that Sig has a crappy customer service. That may be true.
I know I had an issuse with one of my S&W, The customer service guy was nice but wouldnt give me any info if others were having the same issue that I was having. He told me to send in my gun (at my cost of shipping) and they would look at it with a turnaround rate of 4-6 weeks!! If the gun was not an issue that fell under warrenty I had to pay for them to fix it (it was an hourly charged rate). If it was a warrenty issue they would fix it but make me pay for the shipping. Hmmm, if I owned a company and we sent product out that had to be fixed or recalled there is no way that I would make my customers pay for the shipping. JMO.

Sorry dont mean to be going on like this, its been a bad past few days for me and I guess that this just really got to me. Anyway I want to hear others opinions, Say what you want to say. I dont work for Sig so I dont have to deffend them. They have always had a good reputation for building great firearms. But there are always afew bad runs that get out to the stores that we buy.
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#4 Posted : Monday, June 28, 2010 6:30:42 AM(UTC)
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JerBla wrote:
[QUOTE=cmshoot;5064632]SIG in general has an outstanding reputation...........but that rep has not carried over to the P250.

I'll admit, it has one of the nicest DAO triggers, but that's about all I'll recommend on it.

During serious shooting, the frame will become so hot that it is impossible to hold, especially the take-down lever (which is where your thumb rests when using a thumbs forward grip). You have to sit it down until it cools down.

I work for a Fed agency who is looking into purchasing the P250. We've had nothing but problems out of them. SIG my office 9 of them for testing; 8 are having repeated malfunctions of various types, mostly failures to extract causing what some folks call a "double feed", but we've also had problems with failures to feed and failures to fire. Oh yeah, and magazines that bind up and won't feed rounds. One of the pistols is averaging a stoppage or malfunction every 83 rounds fired.

If that doesn't make up your mind, SIG has stopped production of the P250, although they have not announced it. They are working on a replacement pistol, which will be striker-fired. If the pistol is as great as SIG claims, why did they cease production?[/

I told this guy I never had an issuse with mine. That is true. I never had any of the problems that he has stated. But the one the that got me the most is when he said that Sig is stopping the production of the 250. Is this true? does anyone have insider info? Any info would be great.


I have several thoughts on this.

First of all, it would be very useful to have a link to the original post so that we can go back and ask the OP clarifying questions.. Could you provide us that? It might be useful to ask him when this happened, what caliber and configuration he was using, what type ammo, how many rds had been put through the guns, what kind and amount of lube was being used, if SIG had been notified of the issues, and if so what's SIG's efforts were to fix the problems.

Reference the striker-fired 250, Todd Louis Green, a professional trainer and the owner of the pistol-training.com website, predicted on various public forums (his website, m4carbine.net, etc IIRC) that SIG would introduce a striker-fired version of the 250 at the 2010 SHOT Show. SIG did not introduce a striker-fired gun of any kind at SHOT 2010, nor at any other venue to the best of my knowledge. To the best of my knowledge, the existence of any striker-fired SIG remains an unconfirmed rumor.

I'm not an insider by any stretch of the imagination, but I'd be surprised if 250 production has been terminated. The variety of available calibers and configurations of the 250 seems to be expanding, albeit slowly. I would expect that would not be true if production had already ceased, or if it was about to cease. I wonder if the OP was confusiong the recent change in 9/40/357 Compact grip modules and magazine floorplates with a termination of production of the 250 line. I would welcome proof more compelling than an unsubstantiated assertion by an anonymous internet source.

Having said all that, it does not speak too well of the 250 that it has (AFAIK) yet won only one US LE contract, namely the Federal Air Marshal Service contract for a number of .357 caliber guns. Based on my very limited knowledge, I had always thought that the 250 was SIG's attempt to compete with Glock and the S&W M&P for those LE contracts (and individual sales to us ordinary citizens )where price was an important criterion.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, June 29, 2010 4:21:24 AM(UTC)
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Here is the origial message from the other forum that I got this information on: http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=549507
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:48:42 AM(UTC)
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Soooo I guess my hope for a .22 conversion P250 kit is nixed Crying
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, June 29, 2010 7:37:34 AM(UTC)
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potatoho wrote:
Soooo I guess my hope for a .22 conversion P250 kit is nixed Crying


I doubt it will happen.


Here is a great thread with TONS of info. 123 pages of nothing but P250, enjoy.

http://sigforum.com/eve/.../f/430601935/m/544100549
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 3:13:48 AM(UTC)
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JerBla wrote:
Here is the origial message from the other forum that I got this information on: http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=549507


JerBla, thanks.
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 3:50:07 AM(UTC)
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oldtexan wrote:
JerBla wrote:
Here is the origial message from the other forum that I got this information on: http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=549507


JerBla, thanks.


So what do you think? Could it be true? Is he full of it?
Im pretty sceptical about him having insider information, but then again he could. I just think that it would be a big waste of time for Sig to disscontinue the 250 models. But then again......
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:37:26 AM(UTC)
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JerBla wrote:
oldtexan wrote:
JerBla wrote:
Here is the origial message from the other forum that I got this information on: http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=549507


JerBla, thanks.


So what do you think? Could it be true? Is he full of it?
Im pretty sceptical about him having insider information, but then again he could. I just think that it would be a big waste of time for Sig to disscontinue the 250 models. But then again......


I registered to become a member on the forum where you found that msg, but I still have to be approved by the powers that be over there before I can post msgs. As soon as I can, I'll contact the guy who made the assertions, try to get some feedback, and post a msg here about what I find out.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 11:03:29 AM(UTC)
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My question posed to SS customer service and their response...

"I hope things are well with you up in NH. I've heard some rumors that Sig is stopping production of the P250 and re-introduce it or something like it as a striker-fired modular pistol. Any truth to this? If so, I'd like to buy some parts to keep my two in the game for the long-term or figure out how I can retrofit mine with any new changes. In the limited amount of shooting I've done, I have nothing but praise for the pistol."

"That is not true. Where did you hear this rumor? There have been a lot of crazy rumors floating around lately. A couple days ago somebody asked me if we were getting rid of the P220. "
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:12:38 PM(UTC)
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mu2bdriver wrote:
My question posed to SS customer service and their response...

"I hope things are well with you up in NH. I've heard some rumors that Sig is stopping production of the P250 and re-introduce it or something like it as a striker-fired modular pistol. Any truth to this? If so, I'd like to buy some parts to keep my two in the game for the long-term or figure out how I can retrofit mine with any new changes. In the limited amount of shooting I've done, I have nothing but praise for the pistol."

"That is not true. Where did you hear this rumor? There have been a lot of crazy rumors floating around lately. A couple days ago somebody asked me if we were getting rid of the P220. "


Like I said, is this guy telling me something on this other forum thats just his opinion? Anywho, I love my 250, wish I still had my 220. Theyd be a perfect family....
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#13 Posted : Thursday, July 01, 2010 11:32:15 AM(UTC)
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JerBla wrote:
[QUOTE=cmshoot;5064632]
Original statement
SIG in general has an outstanding reputation...........but that rep has not carried over to the P250.

My response
SIG does have an outstanding reputation. The only p250 detractors I have run across generally fall into 3 camps: 1) early owners who had legit problems with FTF and FTE and sold before allowing SIG to make good, 2) former owners who did not understand what a DAO trigger was when they purchased and 3) individuals who have no first hand knowledge of the gun but spew third and fourth hand information as fact.

Original statement
I'll admit, it has one of the nicest DAO triggers, but that's about all I'll recommend on it.

My response
That must have been difficult for you to admit - I would correct the statement by saying the p250 has the, not one of the best DAO trigger.

Original statement
During serious shooting, the frame will become so hot that it is impossible to hold, especially the take-down lever (which is where your thumb rests when using a thumbs forward grip). You have to sit it down until it cools down.

My response
Define "serious shooting" - I am serious everytime I pick up a weapon. I am going to guess that this serious shooter is one of those individual who empties mag after mag as quickly as possible and then looks around with a "did you see what I did look on his face." Since the frame is polymer I don't see it getting that hot.

Original statement
I work for a Fed agency who is looking into purchasing the P250. We've had nothing but problems out of them. SIG my office 9 of them for testing; 8 are having repeated malfunctions of various types, mostly failures to extract causing what some folks call a "double feed", but we've also had problems with failures to feed and failures to fire. Oh yeah, and magazines that bind up and won't feed rounds. One of the pistols is averaging a stoppage or malfunction every 83 rounds fired.

My response
I call BS on this one. If SIG provided 9 p250's for testing would it not make sense that they would have checked them out before delivery?

Original statement
If that doesn't make up your mind, SIG has stopped production of the P250, although they have not announced it. They are working on a replacement pistol, which will be striker-fired. If the pistol is as great as SIG claims, why did they cease production?[/

My response
If SIG has stopped production why is his agency even testing the p250. Did he not tell someone at his agency that he had insider information?

Nope, I have spent more time with this response than the gentleman deserves. My experience is that 99.999% of all Internet rumors are BS.


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#14 Posted : Friday, July 02, 2010 3:16:07 AM(UTC)
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oldtexan wrote:
JerBla wrote:
oldtexan wrote:
JerBla wrote:
Here is the origial message from the other forum that I got this information on: http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=549507


JerBla, thanks.


So what do you think? Could it be true? Is he full of it?
Im pretty sceptical about him having insider information, but then again he could. I just think that it would be a big waste of time for Sig to disscontinue the 250 models. But then again......


I registered to become a member on the forum where you found that msg, but I still have to be approved by the powers that be over there before I can post msgs. As soon as I can, I'll contact the guy who made the assertions, try to get some feedback, and post a msg here about what I find out.


I got permission to post yesterday, and posted a message to cmshoot asking for various details on his agency's test of the P250, such as when the test happened, what caliber, configuration, ammo, round counts on the guns, SIG's response, name of the agency, etc. Currently awaiting response.
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#15 Posted : Friday, July 02, 2010 9:15:41 AM(UTC)
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lafayettela wrote:
JerBla wrote:
[QUOTE=cmshoot;5064632]
Original statement
SIG in general has an outstanding reputation...........but that rep has not carried over to the P250.

My response
SIG does have an outstanding reputation. The only p250 detractors I have run across generally fall into 3 camps: 1) early owners who had legit problems with FTF and FTE and sold before allowing SIG to make good, 2) former owners who did not understand what a DAO trigger was when they purchased and 3) individuals who have no first hand knowledge of the gun but spew third and fourth hand information as fact.

Original statement
I'll admit, it has one of the nicest DAO triggers, but that's about all I'll recommend on it.

My response
That must have been difficult for you to admit - I would correct the statement by saying the p250 has the, not one of the best DAO trigger.

Original statement
During serious shooting, the frame will become so hot that it is impossible to hold, especially the take-down lever (which is where your thumb rests when using a thumbs forward grip). You have to sit it down until it cools down.

My response
Define "serious shooting" - I am serious everytime I pick up a weapon. I am going to guess that this serious shooter is one of those individual who empties mag after mag as quickly as possible and then looks around with a "did you see what I did look on his face." Since the frame is polymer I don't see it getting that hot.

Original statement
I work for a Fed agency who is looking into purchasing the P250. We've had nothing but problems out of them. SIG my office 9 of them for testing; 8 are having repeated malfunctions of various types, mostly failures to extract causing what some folks call a "double feed", but we've also had problems with failures to feed and failures to fire. Oh yeah, and magazines that bind up and won't feed rounds. One of the pistols is averaging a stoppage or malfunction every 83 rounds fired.

My response
I call BS on this one. If SIG provided 9 p250's for testing would it not make sense that they would have checked them out before delivery?

Original statement
If that doesn't make up your mind, SIG has stopped production of the P250, although they have not announced it. They are working on a replacement pistol, which will be striker-fired. If the pistol is as great as SIG claims, why did they cease production?[/

My response
If SIG has stopped production why is his agency even testing the p250. Did he not tell someone at his agency that he had insider information?

Nope, I have spent more time with this response than the gentleman deserves. My experience is that 99.999% of all Internet rumors are BS.



Yeah you did spend alot of time on this one. Everything you wrote it just about the way I feel as far as what he has said. All this talking is making want to do some shooting. Ill be back in a min.
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:02:27 AM(UTC)
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oldtexan wrote:
oldtexan wrote:
JerBla wrote:
oldtexan wrote:
JerBla wrote:
Here is the origial message from the other forum that I got this information on: http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=549507


JerBla, thanks.


So what do you think? Could it be true? Is he full of it?
Im pretty sceptical about him having insider information, but then again he could. I just think that it would be a big waste of time for Sig to disscontinue the 250 models. But then again......


I registered to become a member on the forum where you found that msg, but I still have to be approved by the powers that be over there before I can post msgs. As soon as I can, I'll contact the guy who made the assertions, try to get some feedback, and post a msg here about what I find out.


I got permission to post yesterday, and posted a message to cmshoot asking for various details on his agency's test of the P250, such as when the test happened, what caliber, configuration, ammo, round counts on the guns, SIG's response, name of the agency, etc. Currently awaiting response.


Update: Still awaiting a response from cmshoot on that other forum re my questions about his report claiming poor reliability in 9 P250s (allegedly) tested by an LE agency. Today is July 7th; I posted the message asking him for details on July 1st. Six days and no answer....draw your own conclusions.
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:08:35 AM(UTC)
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Just an FYI, you can name any forum you want in here. We are not the only resource on the web when it comes to the P250. We don't get hung up on "my forum is better than yours" bull crap here. I probably have a link to that forum under my links section anyway. Feel free to say their name, unless you don't want to, cause that is your choice as well.
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, July 13, 2010 4:18:23 AM(UTC)
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Hawk wrote:
Just an FYI, you can name any forum you want in here. We are not the only resource on the web when it comes to the P250. We don't get hung up on "my forum is better than yours" bull crap here. I probably have a link to that forum under my links section anyway. Feel free to say their name, unless you don't want to, cause that is your choice as well.

Really wasnt sure if I could. I know some forums dont like it when you mention other forum names. Im sure thart you would care buy just thought Id play it safe. The forum name is GON (georgia outdoor news).
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:10:53 AM(UTC)
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Wow is it good to read opinions from people who like the 250! I am one who purchased an early one over two years ago. Mine had the fte problem but it was fixed by Sig. Plus they gave me a free mag and a free small grip! I bought the 250 because I like the design, dao trigger, size, weight and capacity. And they were the reasons I stuck with the 250 despite the rye problem.700 to 800 ends later it runs flawlessly and accurately. It just gets real old reading people pilling on to bash it for what seems to be an irrational hatred of the gun. I believe this bashing will harm re sale values because prospective buyers will Google it and find a lot of negatives about it that really are simply biased remarks by those who have experience with the gun themselves. I spend a lot of time on another forum and I know the moderators try to keep things nice and civil but things end up becoming negative from time to time. Not everyone there is negative on the 250 but I guess the few seem to speak the loudest. Sorry,...it just gets old.

I may spend more time here!

By the way,..... not braging but I shoot my looooooooong triggered 250 better than a lot of people with Da/ sa guns. Well, maybe a little...

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#20 Posted : Wednesday, August 11, 2010 10:42:53 AM(UTC)
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